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Re Windows Mobile Device Setup when programming MX-980
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Post 1 made on Monday August 11, 2014 at 16:30
Ernie Gilman
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I'm not hep to this particular jive....

Every time I connect the MX-980 that I'm programming... wait, no, more curiously most of the times I connect it, a window opens regarding Windows Mobile Device Setup. There's a check at the bottom left indicating "connected."

I already though it was connected because the remote has beeped at me. What does a Mobile Device setup with this remote get me? How can I keep this window from opening? Do I have to yield to the overlord's plan and set it up so it won't keep hounding me?
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Post 2 made on Monday August 11, 2014 at 16:46
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I just let it pop up. Lets me know the remote made a connection if I have my sound muted.
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OP | Post 3 made on Monday August 11, 2014 at 17:22
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Interesting. My remote makes a strange stuttering buzz kind of sound for a half second.

...so nobody has told you of any advantages of setting it up, huh? I googled it and was not ready to shovel the mountain of schist I found.
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Post 4 made on Monday August 11, 2014 at 17:54
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I don't think it is a device that can be set up. Mobile device center is usually used to sync the file system of a phone.
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OP | Post 5 made on Monday August 11, 2014 at 19:04
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Which begs the question, why does the Windows Mobile Device Setup window open AT ALL?
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Post 6 made on Monday August 11, 2014 at 19:11
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Because it doesn't know any better.Why does it matter?
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OP | Post 7 made on Tuesday August 12, 2014 at 15:25
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It only matters because it interrupts my programming work. It takes time and attention -- little bits that add up during the day -- away from the task at hand.

Software (Mobile setup) that has no reason to come up in front of my work every time I do a normal part (connecting the remote) of using other software (CCP), especially if it's something I can't even use because the remote is not a phone able to sync, is massively stoooopid and clearly implies someone doesn't know what they're doing.

I know, I should only work in homes where I can set up my computer where I can program and try it out without moving. Not gonna happen.
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Post 8 made on Tuesday August 12, 2014 at 16:09
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if you just minimize the window instead of closing it, then when you plug in the remote again, all it will do is flash down in the task bar.  that's how it works on my laptop at least.  does the flash bother you?  are you epileptic?
 
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OP | Post 9 made on Tuesday August 12, 2014 at 16:25
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On August 11, 2014 at 16:30, Ernie Gilman said...
Every time I connect the MX-980 that I'm programming... wait, no, more curiously most of the times I connect it, a window opens regarding Windows Mobile Device Setup. There's a check at the bottom left indicating "connected."

On August 12, 2014 at 15:25, Ernie Gilman said...
...come up in front of my work every time I do a normal part (connecting the remote) of using other software (CCP)

I tried closing it, and it opened again in front of CCP when I connected the remote. I tried minimizing it, and it came up full size again in front of CCP when I connected the remote.

This is on a ThinkPad T420 with Windows 7.

If you could suggest a Windows tweak that would make it just flash, that'd be cool. THAT is no problem, though still just as stupid.
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Post 10 made on Tuesday August 12, 2014 at 17:14
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On August 12, 2014 at 15:25, Ernie Gilman said...
It only matters because it interrupts my programming work. It takes time and attention -- little bits that add up during the day -- away from the task at hand.

Software (Mobile setup) that has no reason to come up in front of my work every time I do a normal part (connecting the remote) of using other software (CCP), especially if it's something I can't even use because the remote is not a phone able to sync, is massively stoooopid and clearly implies someone doesn't know what they're doing.

I know, I should only work in homes where I can set up my computer where I can program and try it out without moving. Not gonna happen.

I once was on another forum asking tons and tons of questions and I finally got two responses: (1) Go to training (2) Read a book about it.

It's really quite simple. Your devices like the MX900, 880, ZR-2, etc are USB HID devices. Without getting into the detail of it (Google or read a book), this is essentially the driver class they call so that your software knows how to interact with your hardware. (This is pretty basic stuff, as I assume you understand drivers and S/W:H/W interaction to some degree.

The MX3000 and the MX980 are NOT HID devices. They are using a different driver to interact with the OS. This is where WMDC comes in. That's why it pops up. Go ahead and close that window and try downloading. I am sure you will post about how it failed.

In the mean time, you can probably write some script or dig into your Windows setup to stop that Window from popping up on top. Mine doesn't. I actually like having the sound. It lets me know the device has connected and been recognized by my OS.

You don't have to do anything with WMDC. I can't believe that you waste people's time with these silly questions, but somehow claim that a quick beep from your OS when your remote connects "takes time and attention." Ignore the window, recognize the beep, press download. Curious: how do you do in a non-sterile environment where you have to work and program?

Finally: Have you been to URC training? Have you signed onto the Control Room? I read how you felt like you got ostracized there, but I have to be honest, you ask questions like someone who is not an authorized dealer. You are honestly asking the caliber of questions like someone who got a hold of the software and are trying to push their way through it.

What is your screen name on the Control Room Ernie?
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Post 11 made on Tuesday August 12, 2014 at 18:26
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OP | Post 12 made on Tuesday August 12, 2014 at 22:06
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On August 12, 2014 at 17:14, SysIntegration said...
I once was on another forum asking tons and tons of questions and I finally got two responses: (1) Go to training (2) Read a book about it.

I got that, too.

The MX3000 and the MX980 are NOT HID devices. They are using a different driver to interact with the OS. This is where WMDC comes in. That's why it pops up. Go ahead and close that window and try downloading. I am sure you will post about how it failed.

This is where it starts to get strange. I didn't do a thing with the window, and after it popped up a couple of times, there was a check mark at the bottom left saying "connected." Looking at it again, I probably clicked "Connect without setting up your device."

In the mean time, you can probably write some script or dig into your Windows setup to stop that Window from popping up on top. Mine doesn't.

Lucky you. It stops what I'm doing. I often look at the keyboard when typing, and as soon as the window pops up, my keystrokes have no effect. So every time I have to minimize or kill the window, then work out where I was. Irritating and unnecessary.

I actually like having the sound. It lets me know the device has connected and been recognized by my OS.

My computer sound is off so that's no problem. Sound only wouldn't be a problem anyway. In fact, the remote makes a kind of stuttering buzz -- that's not from the computer.

You don't have to do anything with WMDC.

Interesting. Braden says you have to use it... but it seems "use it" means one time click on Connectwithoutsettingup, then repeatedlyeternally minimize the window.

I can't believe that you waste people's time with these silly questions, but somehow claim that a quick beep from your OS when your remote connects "takes time and attention." Ignore the window, recognize the beep, press download.

I don't know who you are, but I cannot ignore something that comes up on top when I'm typing and stops keyboard input. Time after time it gets irritating. And you obviously are not noticing that I'm saying that, because you describe it as "a quick beep," when I've said more than once that A WINDOW COMES UP. I guess maybe this is the first time I've said it stops whatever I'm doing until I minimize it, but it AIN'T JUST A BEEP. IT'S THE BRAKES FULL ON.

Curious: how do you do in a non-sterile environment where you have to work and program?
Just fine. I did a trip out of the country for five weeks where only the six to nine of us actually spoke English; there was actual speaking in another language plus dealing with Pidgin English, and the most fun times were when six things were happening at the same time. Here the problem is that I'm trying to do one thing and I keep getting interrupted.

Finally: Have you been to URC training? Have you signed onto the Control Room? I read how you felt like you got ostracized there, but I have to be honest, you ask questions like someone who is not an authorized dealer. You are honestly asking the caliber of questions like someone who got a hold of the software and are trying to push their way through it.

My last training was with Braden, and it was more than a year ago. It ended with "so we didn't cover everything but you get the basic
What is your screen name on the Control Room Ernie?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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OP | Post 13 made on Tuesday August 12, 2014 at 22:12
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On August 12, 2014 at 17:14, SysIntegration said...
I once was on another forum asking tons and tons of questions and I finally got two responses: (1) Go to training (2) Read a book about it.

I got that, too.

The MX3000 and the MX980 are NOT HID devices. They are using a different driver to interact with the OS. This is where WMDC comes in. That's why it pops up. Go ahead and close that window and try downloading. I am sure you will post about how it failed.

This is where it starts to get strange. I didn't do a thing with the window, and after it popped up a couple of times, there was a check mark at the bottom left saying "connected." Looking at it again, I probably clicked "Connect without setting up your device."

In the mean time, you can probably write some script or dig into your Windows setup to stop that Window from popping up on top. Mine doesn't.

Lucky you. It stops what I'm doing. I often look at the keyboard when typing, and as soon as the window pops up, my keystrokes have no effect. So every time I have to minimize or kill the window, then work out where I was. Irritating and unnecessary.

I actually like having the sound. It lets me know the device has connected and been recognized by my OS.

My computer sound is off so that's no problem. Sound only wouldn't be a problem anyway. In fact, the remote makes a kind of stuttering buzz -- that's not from the computer.

You don't have to do anything with WMDC.

Interesting. Braden says you have to use it... but it seems "use it" means one time click on Connectwithoutsettingup, then repeatedlyeternally minimize the window.

I can't believe that you waste people's time with these silly questions, but somehow claim that a quick beep from your OS when your remote connects "takes time and attention." Ignore the window, recognize the beep, press download.

I don't know who you are, but I cannot ignore something that comes up on top when I'm typing and stops keyboard input. Time after time it gets irritating. And you obviously are not noticing that I'm saying that, because you describe it as "a quick beep," when I've said more than once that A WINDOW COMES UP. I guess maybe this is the first time I've said it stops whatever I'm doing until I minimize it, but it AIN'T JUST A BEEP. IT'S THE BRAKES FULL ON.

Curious: how do you do in a non-sterile environment where you have to work and program?
Just fine. I did a trip out of the country for five weeks where only the six to nine of us actually spoke English; there was actual speaking in another language plus dealing with Pidgin English, and the most fun times were when six things were happening at the same time. Here the problem is that I'm trying to do one thing and I keep getting interrupted.

Finally: Have you been to URC training? Have you signed onto the Control Room? I read how you felt like you got ostracized there, but I have to be honest, you ask questions like someone who is not an authorized dealer. You are honestly asking the caliber of questions like someone who got a hold of the software and are trying to push their way through it.

My last training was with Braden, and it was more than a year ago. And this is, truth be told, the first URC I've sold since then, which explains some of the problems. However, that class ended with "so we didn't cover everything but you get the basic idea."

What is your screen name on the Control Room Ernie?

It's my name, lower case, no space.

And after all this, you're probably not interested in the fact that I could not work the Universal Browser today -- I needed the first 8 Denon Tuner preset commands. I created a .ccf from the previous remote here; it would not populate the Panel View; I tried learning, actually following the instructions in the MX980 and MX-890 manuals, and things didn't work right ("Save" never appeared on my screen). I finally tried one Denon file after another until I found the commands I needed.

So it works and it's a beautiful thing. But WOW what a pain getting here!
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 14 made on Tuesday August 12, 2014 at 22:49
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On August 12, 2014 at 22:12, Ernie Gilman said...
I got that, too.

This is where it starts to get strange. I didn't do a thing with the window, and after it popped up a couple of times, there was a check mark at the bottom left saying "connected." Looking at it again, I probably clicked "Connect without setting up your device."

Lucky you. It stops what I'm doing. I often look at the keyboard when typing, and as soon as the window pops up, my keystrokes have no effect. So every time I have to minimize or kill the window, then work out where I was. Irritating and unnecessary.

When programming CCP, my keyboard use is at a very minimum. Room name, device name, remote, and RF names. And by the time I get to download, I don't need a keyboard. What am I missing?

My computer sound is off so that's no problem. Sound only wouldn't be a problem anyway. In fact, the remote makes a kind of stuttering buzz -- that's not from the computer.

Interesting. Braden says you have to use it... but it seems "use it" means one time click on Connectwithoutsettingup, then repeatedlyeternally minimize the window.

You Need WMDC for the 980 to work, yes, but as a user, you don't have to interact with WMDC. That is what I meant. Just like I need keys to turn on my car, but I don't need to interact with those keys after.

I don't know who you are, but I cannot ignore something that comes up on top when I'm typing and stops keyboard input. Time after time it gets irritating. And you obviously are not noticing that I'm saying that, because you describe it as "a quick beep," when I've said more than once that A WINDOW COMES UP. I guess maybe this is the first time I've said it stops whatever I'm doing until I minimize it, but it AIN'T JUST A BEEP. IT'S THE BRAKES FULL ON.

I've been in custom for over a decade. Our work environments are hot, cramped, tiny, crowded, loud, dirty, dusty, etc. I've got to climb out of an attic then go into to programming mode. Who am I? I am the guy with goals, passions, and dreams that isn't going to let a little thing like a keyboard beep, a pop up windows, a cramped closet, a poorly designed job, or a lung full of insulation prevent me from chasing them. I guess I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth, and I haven't reached the level of true programmer where I just wheel a laptop bag around and don't get my hands dirty.

Curious: how do you do in a non-sterile environment where you have to work and program?
Just fine. I did a trip out of the country for five weeks where only the six to nine of us actually spoke English; there was actual speaking in another language plus dealing with Pidgin English, and the most fun times were when six things were happening at the same time. Here the problem is that I'm trying to do one thing and I keep getting interrupted.

First world problems. Wow.

My last training was with Braden, and it was more than a year ago. And this is, truth be told, the first URC I've sold since then, which explains some of the problems. However, that class ended with "so we didn't cover everything but you get the basic idea."

I'm sure the first half of the class was a sales pitch. They usually are. I do prefer Hank's line of teaching. I don't have much room for the young, brash boldness (arrogance) of your trainer. First trainer I've met who has to show off his skills and brag. I do not wish to speak badly of someone, understand that. I do miss the mature, civilized, confident respectfulness I've found in the older generation of |_|RC Trainers.

It's my name, lower case, no space.

And after all this, you're probably not interested in the fact that I could not work the Universal Browser today -- I needed the first 8 Denon Tuner preset commands. I created a .ccf from the previous remote here; it would not populate the Panel View; I tried learning, actually following the instructions in the MX980 and MX-890 manuals, and things didn't work right ("Save" never appeared on my screen). I finally tried one Denon file after another until I found the commands I needed.

So it works and it's a beautiful thing. But WOW what a pain getting here!

It's probably because the only other posts like yours are right after someone posted "Can I get xxxx software" and then a bunch of questions on how to use it.
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