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Which model do you keep in 'stock'?
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Post 16 made on Saturday June 14, 2014 at 19:36
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On June 10, 2014 at 16:07, JoeFlabitz said...
More likely we'll see the demise of the MX350/850/3000 by end of year before MX880/900/980- too many guys still on these remotes to drop them, as I'm told.

I'll believe this when I stop seeing the MSC400 sold as new or listed on a dealer price sheet. Support for that POS stopped at Windows Vista.
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Post 17 made on Saturday June 14, 2014 at 19:39
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On June 14, 2014 at 11:05, goldenzrule said...
Ok, either I am experiencing a case of déjà vu or you have posted this exact post before.

Deja vu my friend. I only rant against the MSC400. However, recommending a 450 as a "necessary to stock" item is a little hard to swallow as a CI. It has no discretes (for the most part) unless you are learning into it. At that point, why waste time learning codes and having the customer pay for the programming time when you get a better remote with an actual computer DB and have the customer spend their money there? Then you can actually support the remote when they change products....

HYPOTHETICALLY: unless your idea is to sell the customer a product that will take longer to install and basically impossible to effectively change or add devices to make more money on it later. I guess I should ask how business is for you then? I'm not sure I would buy from someone like that. I mean, I understand that profit is the most important bottom end, but selling the wrong product to make money is bad business.

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Post 18 made on Saturday June 14, 2014 at 20:41
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On June 14, 2014 at 19:39, SysIntegration said...
Deja vu my friend. I only rant against the MSC400. However, recommending a 450 as a "necessary to stock" item is a little hard to swallow as a CI. It has no discretes (for the most part) unless you are learning into it. At that point, why waste time learning codes and having the customer pay for the programming time when you get a better remote with an actual computer DB and have the customer spend their money there? Then you can actually support the remote when they change products....

unless your idea is to sell the customer a product that will take longer to install and basically impossible to effectively change or add devices to make more money on it later. I guess I should ask how business is for you then? I'm not sure I would buy from someone like that. I mean, I understand that profit is the most important bottom end, but selling the wrong product to make money is bad business.

ALLLLLLRIGHTY then, where to start.

A) I did not quote you, so not sure why you have the impression that I was talking about you with the deja vu quote. I wasn't.

B) I've been on record NUMEROUS times stating that I DO NOT sell MX450's and do not recommend them

C) I am MORE than capable of putting together a GREAT control solution with the products I sell. No problems, issues, or defects to worry about. I have chosen my line with YEARS of experience behind me to back up my decisions.

D) My average time to program a CCP remote for a moderately sized system is 30 minutes. Basic systems, 15 minutes. Discreets, variables tracking for time delays...

E) Carry and install/program two different product lines from URC without any issues. I KNOW the product.

F) Business is fine so no worries losing your business.

G) Thanks for your concern!!!
Post 19 made on Saturday June 14, 2014 at 21:33
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Post 20 made on Saturday June 14, 2014 at 21:46
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Yes, was completely confusing. I mean with the quoting of someone else's post and all
Post 21 made on Saturday June 14, 2014 at 21:48
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Oh, and what's a zone and a receiver. Are we talking about football? I'm just simple minded folk that don't know how to do stuff
Post 22 made on Saturday June 14, 2014 at 21:55
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Post 23 made on Sunday June 15, 2014 at 00:58
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On June 8, 2014 at 21:19, SysIntegration said...
the 450 is fairly useless if you want discretes unless you are x-learning from a pir-1. I don't know what anyone would spend the money on an mx5000 when you can get TC for the price of that remote. It's absolutely insane. Have you ever tried to enter wifi information in that thing manually using the on-remote keypad? Hell, for a $1200 you can practically get into a savant smart host system.

OK I apologize because I did not preview my post before it went viral. Two different posts got mingled and it was unintelligible.

In a nutshell, I used 450s before the 780 came out but will be using up the last 450 batch, at which time the 780 will be my entry point. The question was which ones do we stock, so that was my answer - at this time they are all in my truck.

I also have to keep an 850 and a 900 to swap out for clients with button failures. However, there is no point in offering a 900 to new clients with color basically the same price.

BTW, the 450 has lots of discretes and the same database as the big boys, but as you know is much harder to find the right device.

As for the 5000, the setup is not the issue, it is the wifi performance that in my judgment is average at best to where I don't set it up - don't want to support it.

As far as déjà vu, whatever Yogi Berra said...

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