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MX-6000i can learn 433mhz signals?
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Post 1 made on Thursday May 8, 2014 at 13:20
calabuig
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Hello, I'd like to buy a URC MX-6000, but I've read that the model "i" (MX-6000i) can send 433mhz signals. I'd need of a remote that can learn and send 433mhz signals. Is the MX-6000i the right one?
Thanks for your help
Post 2 made on Thursday May 8, 2014 at 15:07
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1) URC doesn't have those anymore, so unless you're getting one from someone's inventory, good luck

2) There is no remote that learns RF. You can learn in IR signals and send them back out via RF to a RF-IR translator, but native RF control of anything except the URC lighting devices isn't possible.
OP | Post 3 made on Thursday May 8, 2014 at 16:15
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Thanks for your informations.
My problem: I have an electric motor screen controlled (up/down) by a RF remote and receiver. I could buy a IR receiver with a IR remote for the screen and use my MX-3000 learning these signals. When I've read that the model MX-6000i can send 433mhz signals I thinked that it could even learn RF.
You said that there is no remote that learns RF. So what's the use of "i"model of MX-6000. How can I use this remote to control my screen if it can't learn RF?
There's a workaround?
I found a new MX-6000 but I didn't buy it because it's not the "i" version.
At this point, do you think that I could buy it for the "i" model isn't useful for me?
Post 4 made on Thursday May 8, 2014 at 17:59
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On May 8, 2014 at 16:15, calabuig said...
Thanks for your informations.
My problem: I have an electric motor screen controlled (up/down) by a RF remote and receiver. I could buy a IR receiver with a IR remote for the screen and use my MX-3000 learning these signals. When I've read that the model MX-6000i can send 433mhz signals I thinked that it could even learn RF.
You said that there is no remote that learns RF. So what's the use of "i"model of MX-6000. How can I use this remote to control my screen if it can't learn RF?
There's a workaround?
I found a new MX-6000 but I didn't buy it because it's not the "i" version.
At this point, do you think that I could buy it for the "i" model isn't useful for me?

You have to use IR for that screen.

No remote learns RF. Period.

MX-6000 uses 418mHz RF to talk to the URC base stations. URC base stations only.

MX-6000i uses 433mHz RF to talk to the URC "i" series base stations. URC "i" base stations only.

"i" means "International", as the 418mhz spectrum is not licensed for civilian uses outside of the US. 433mhz is, and that is the model that is made available outside of the FCC controlled USA. 433 is also sold in the US as an alternative to when 418 won't work.
OP | Post 5 made on Thursday May 8, 2014 at 19:12
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On May 8, 2014 at 17:59, Lowhz said...
You have to use IR for that screen.

No remote learns RF. Period.

MX-6000 uses 418mHz RF to talk to the URC base stations. URC base stations only.

MX-6000i uses 433mHz RF to talk to the URC "i" series base stations. URC "i" base stations only.

"i" means "International", as the 418mhz spectrum is not licensed for civilian uses outside of the US. 433mhz is, and that is the model that is made available outside of the FCC controlled USA. 433 is also sold in the US as an alternative to when 418 won't work.

...so I can quietly buy the MX-6000 as the "i" version isn't useful for me!
Good!
Another question (and thanks for your kindness): can I use the URC MRX-1 (or MRX-2) to control the screen by the relay output? Is there any URC component to associate with MX-6000 to control it?
OP | Post 6 made on Friday May 9, 2014 at 14:14
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@lowhz
can I use the URC MRX-1 (or MRX-2) to control the screen by the relay output? Is there any URC component to associate with MX-6000 to control it?
Post 7 made on Friday May 9, 2014 at 22:13
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Does the screen motor have a contact closure control or maybe a 12vdc trigger? There are lots of ways to control but depends on what you have.

What draws you to the MX6000 remote. I'm big URC fan and that is the worst electronic device I've ever owned? If you're all about big touch screens get an iPad air or mini and the iOS app with MRX-2.
OP | Post 8 made on Saturday May 10, 2014 at 02:51
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The screen motor has simply 4 electric wires: 2 are connected to the RF remote, 1 to the 220v power and 1 to the ground. Any suggestions to control it?

I'm a big URC fan too, and I was a happily MX-3000 fan. I need of a programmable remote (I like the way the MX-3000 worked) to control my home theatre, lighting and hi-fi system (iTunes for Mac in special way). Why not the MX-6000? Isn't the perfect one for my needs?
I've seen the URC apps for iPad but I think that the perfect remote should have hard buttons to press in the dark.

Last edited by calabuig on May 10, 2014 10:34.
Post 9 made on Sunday May 11, 2014 at 09:54
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I was just providing an opinion on the Mx6000. If you like it and the price is way down from the original it may have economic value for you. Just remember with and iPad you get a hell of a lot more than just a remote control that alos has a bad battery and touch screen with terrible feel. There is a reason it was discontinued.

You're gonna have to either post a model for the screen and RF remote/receiver or take a good picture of them and all the connections. It sounds like it has 220V for power and a solid earth ground. As to two wire for the RF remote, that would seem to have to be a powered RF receiver that gets power and signal up and down to screen. Any chance one or both of the wires has two
leads?
OP | Post 10 made on Tuesday May 13, 2014 at 12:21
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On May 11, 2014 at 09:54, Hart2Hart said...
I was just providing an opinion on the Mx6000. If you like it and the price is way down from the original it may have economic value for you. Just remember with and iPad you get a hell of a lot more than just a remote control that alos has a bad battery and touch screen with terrible feel. There is a reason it was discontinued.

You're gonna have to either post a model for the screen and RF remote/receiver or take a good picture of them and all the connections. It sounds like it has 220V for power and a solid earth ground. As to two wire for the RF remote, that would seem to have to be a powered RF receiver that gets power and signal up and down to screen. Any chance one or both of the wires has two
leads?

These are 2 photos of the RF remote that controls the motorized screen
The blue and red wires are the up & down commands; the browne wire goes to main power 220v and yellow wire goes to the ground.
Any hints to control this screen by URC MX-6000 + any URC components (MSC-400, MRX-1, MRX-2 or MRX-10)?



Post 11 made on Tuesday May 13, 2014 at 12:33
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So what makes you think this is an RF remote?

It's a wired control.
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OP | Post 12 made on Tuesday May 13, 2014 at 13:18
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On May 13, 2014 at 12:33, kgossen said...
So what makes you think this is an RF remote?

It's a wired control.

Yes, this is the wired control that has a RF built-in receiver.
I can use the buttons showed in photo and/or the remote (not in photo).
I'd like to control the screen with MX-6000 and other URC component.
Post 13 made on Tuesday May 13, 2014 at 13:55
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do you have to press and hold the buttons for the lift to go up and down, or is it just a tap to go all the way up/down?

you could use the MSC400 and solder into the buttons on the controller.  you would then wire these to the relay outputs of the msc400.
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OP | Post 14 made on Tuesday May 13, 2014 at 15:06
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On May 13, 2014 at 13:55, Duct Tape said...
do you have to press and hold the buttons for the lift to go up and down, or is it just a tap to go all the way up/down?

It's just a tap to go all the way up/down...

you could use the MSC400 and solder into the buttons on the controller. you would then wire these to the relay outputs of the msc400.

Please, could you be more specific?
The outputs relay of the MSC400 are 12v... the base controller plugs into main 220v power. Could it be a problem?
Post 15 made on Tuesday May 13, 2014 at 16:07
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the relay outputs on the msc400 don't have voltage on them.  you can run voltage though them, but it won't be necessary in your case.

you will just take apart the switch like you have done already, then solder onto the contacts where the up and down buttons are.  use thin wire such as cat5 for this purpose.   you will end up with 4 conductors which will get connected to relay 1 and relay 2 on the msc400.

the up button would get connected to relay 1 using the Com and N.O. connection.

the down button would get connected to relay 2 using the Com and N.O connection.

in the programming you would just pulse the relay for half a second to send the tv lift up or down.  the relay closes, which in turn acts as if the button on the keypad has been pressed.
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