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Help with an MX900 macro
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Post 1 made on Thursday June 14, 2012 at 22:46
davey28
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This isn't my first MX900 I've programed. I'm no "pro" but I'm no rookie either. I've done around 10 of them but this is the first time I've ever encountered this issue. First off the simple list of devices.

Toshiba 46SL412U
Denon AVR1912
Sammy BD-E5700
Pace STB/DVR DC700X

Here's the issue. I created a macro using the top LCD button to power on the AVR, set the AVR to SAT/CBL (hdmi3) power on the display, switch the input to hdmi2, which is the input the Denon hdmi out is connected to. This works perfect every time. Since the buddy and his wife use the display for cable watching most of the time, I copied and pasted the exact macro to the power on button so they can just power on and be watching TV. For some reason, when I execute the power on macro, the Denon will not switch the output. It seems to want to default to BD? Why would a macro work perfect on one button and not on another? It's the exact same macro! I tried all the work arounds I could think of, like using the quick select 2 option, or selecting source and arrow over 1 to the right from BD to SAT/CBL and nothing worked. The power on command always took me to the Denon BD source.

HELP! This is driving me nuts!

TIA,
Dave
Post 2 made on Friday June 15, 2012 at 01:16
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Unplug the bluray player and then test those identical macros on both buttons then report back.
OP | Post 3 made on Friday June 15, 2012 at 14:29
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Thanks for the quick reply Tweet. I unplugged both the HDMI from the back of the Denon and unplugged the 110v from the BD player. Tested both macros and had the same thing. The LCD button worked perfect but the power on landed the Denon in BD. WTF?!?!? Do you think it's something in the HDMI control on the Denon?

TIA,
Dave
Post 4 made on Friday June 15, 2012 at 14:40
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Are you using the CBL/SAT command to turn on the Denon or Power on then selecting the CBL/SAT imput ?

Not positive that model supports power on from imput, I always use the CI series
and just assume everything should work like that now :-)
OP | Post 5 made on Friday June 15, 2012 at 15:08
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Intecon:

Powering on command to the Denon then switching the input to CBL/SAT.

Here is the exact macro string that works from the LCD button but when copied and pasted to the Power On button takes me to BD on the Denon.

Power On TV.455
Delay 1.0
Power On Audio.811
Delay 0.2
Input TV.455
Delay 1.0
4 TV.455
Delay 0.2
Enter TV.455
Delay 0.2
SAT/CBL Audio.1319
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Post 6 made on Friday June 15, 2012 at 15:46
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On June 15, 2012 at 14:29, davey28 said...
Do you think it's something in the HDMI control on the Denon?

I was thinking it was something related to CEC control on the BD player and would be easiest to test that theory with it unplugged. Since you have the same result, something else is amiss.

If you want, email me your editor file and I'll take a look. Couldn't hurt to have another set of eyes on it.

In the meantime...what happens if you issue those commands in that order via the OEM remotes? Does it ever end up on the BD input instead of Cable?

Also ensure that any and all CEC related control is turned off on the TV. I'm not sure what Toshiba calls that in their menus. Could be CEC, AnyNet, HDMI control, etc. Make sure any and all setting for that are turned OFF.

edit: I just looked it up. Toshiba calls this feature REGZA-LINK...disable that and anything relating to it.

Last edited by tweeterguy on June 15, 2012 16:09.
OP | Post 7 made on Friday June 15, 2012 at 17:39
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Tweet:

I emailed the file to you. I just swapped out an old Sony HTIB AVR for the Denon so some of the programming hasn't been changed yet.

I haven't even put the batteries in the OEM remotes. :o) I can try that tomorrow.

I searched the Tosh menu and did discover the REGZA-LINK activated itself after all the connections were made. It activated on HDMI2 (where the Denon out connects to the Tosh HDMI2 input) and called it "switched" on the OSD. I turned that off and thought Bob's my uncle but no dice.

I thought I did a pretty good search in the BD menu but I may not have turned all the control stuff off. I'll also try that tomorrow.

Wasn't the idea of HDMI to make all this easier??? This is ridiculous!

Thanks for your efforts.

Dave
Post 8 made on Friday June 15, 2012 at 18:38
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Wasn't the idea of HDMI to make all this easier???

Surely you jest :-) It was never an intention to make our lives easier, merely to keep their content secure.

In any case I see some funkiness in your programming:

1. Your macro calls for device labeled Audio but your directory tree does not show a device called Audio. I see a device called Denon.

2. You're using an input work around on the Toshiba; i.e. TV PWR ON - Input - Digit 4. Do the discrete functions from Toshiba not work? And what is the actual named input on the Toshiba, Input 4 it seems?

3. Your DVR/Cable macro on the Watch page calls for the Audio device to switch to SAT/Cable however the DVR/Cable macro on your Listen page calls for the Denon device to switch to BD (that will definitely cause problems there). It also seems you are using codes from the Denon AVR-1612, not the 1912.

I'm going to send you another file. Do not over-write yours. Perform a Live Update on your editor. Save mine as a separate file and load it to the MX-900 and test it out. It will be very basic with Cable1, 2 and 3 as its only sources. The only macros will be for cable1,2,3 and OFF. Report back which one if any work. The difference is that each macro has a different input command for the Denon as I don't know what you're calling it in the Denon setup. I'm also sending a discrete input 4 command to the Toshiba based on what I think you are connected to.

Report back with what works and doesn't and also provide more specifics as to the exact Denon and Toshiba inputs being used; i.e. cable is connected to hdmi 3 on the Denon but what is the actual command on the OEM remote that triggers that AND you have the monitor out going to what input on the TV Input 4...is that HDMI 2 or what?
OP | Post 9 made on Friday June 15, 2012 at 21:20
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Surely you jest :-) It was never an intention to make our lives easier, merely to keep their content secure.

True Tweet but I cant see how the average consumer can understand the CEC control stuff? HDMI does make the connection end much easier but the control side to me, seems more difficult. I must admit though since I discovered the 900 I've never used any "device" remote to control anything other than itself.

I took a look at your file and it'll be interesting to test it but that wont happen until tomorrow sometime.

I'll be sure to let you know all the details that come from the test.

Dave
Post 10 made on Saturday June 16, 2012 at 14:32
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I seem to remember having issues copying and pasting to the ON button. Now I create the macro on the ON button and for the CABLE macro, I just create a macro with the MAIN POWER ON button as the only alias.
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Post 11 made on Saturday June 16, 2012 at 17:11
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On June 16, 2012 at 14:32, Tom Ciaramitaro said...
I seem to remember having issues copying and pasting to the ON button. Now I create the macro on the ON button and for the CABLE macro, I just create a macro with the MAIN POWER ON button as the only alias.

+1
This is what I would suggest. It makes no sense to copy a macro to another button...just alias that button to the original macro. That way, if you ever need to edit the macro, you don't have to edit other buttons/macros.

Also check you "punch through".
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OP | Post 12 made on Sunday June 17, 2012 at 14:52
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On June 15, 2012 at 18:38, tweeterguy said...

Report back with what works and doesn't

Here's what I discovered Tweet. The testing was inconclusive. In brief, I tried all the button presses. The DVR and SAT/CBL reacted the same. The Tosh 2006 discretes do not work for direct input. I know I tried them when I did the programming with the Sony AVR in place. The work around works fine, it's just not as straight forward.

Bottom line is I got the power on button working correctly. The BDP did have Anynet-CEC turned on. However turning it off didn't solve the problem. I went as far as adding a 30 sec delay after the SAT/CBL audio command and then adding another SAT/CBL command after the long delay. Shown below.

Enter TV.455
Delay 0.2
SAT/CBL Audio.1319
Delay 30
SAT/CBL Audio.1319

This is when it got strange. As the macro played out, it switch to the SAT/CBL for 30 seconds as was expected but as soon as the macro finished, I lost sound and video as it reverted back to BD! That's when I had my "I'm a dope" moment. I never changed the receiver ID from zero. When I switched to ID2, everything works as expected.

Thanks again for your help!

Tom & FP, once I got everything working as normal, I created an alias as you explained. Thanks for the tip.
Post 13 made on Sunday June 17, 2012 at 19:08
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On June 17, 2012 at 14:52, davey28 said...
I never changed the receiver ID from zero. When I switched to ID2, everything works as expected.

Receiver ID of what? The Denon? A URC RF base station?
OP | Post 14 made on Sunday June 17, 2012 at 20:17
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On June 17, 2012 at 19:08, tweeterguy said...

A URC RF base station?

Yeah Tweet, a URC MRF-350. Like I said, I feel pretty stupid it took me this long to figure it out.

I'm just going to blame this one on age.

Dave
Post 15 made on Sunday June 17, 2012 at 20:35
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Interesting. While leaving the base station on 0 will definitely cause problems with interference and crosstalk from other URC RF remotes within range I've never seen and can't come up with a reason why having that set to 0 would allow for the BD command to be issued during the macro and switch over the Denon to the BD input on one button but not another.

Oh well, glad you got it all sorted out.
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