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Can I use the DMS-1200 as a standalone IR controlled amp??
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Post 1 made on Friday April 27, 2012 at 18:31
Tom Ciaramitaro
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I have connected four analog inputs to the DMS-1200. I planned on using IR one way and just using this as a multi zone amp. Will be controlling with MX-880s and MX-5000.

The MX-880 database has the multi zone amp in it, and I can select any zone I wish. I see power on/off and set volume level for that zone. I DO NOT see codes for any of the analog inputs. Can this even be done?

There are plenty of multi zone amps out there. Was just hoping to use this one for its 50 watts per channel and need 4 or 5 zones.

Thanks for your help.
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Post 2 made on Friday April 27, 2012 at 19:39
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yes this can be done.  you need to connect it to an ethernet switch. do not connect it to the network in the home unless you are using a URC MAC filtering switch.  the analog inputs are accessed by using the stream command, followed by the stream number, then enter.  The audio streams are sent onto the network, and then come back into the amp via the same network connection.  So if you don't have a switch installed, it won't work at all, even though you will be using only 1 amp.

I've got 3 DMS100 amps used in this configuration.  They are all connected to the same network switch which is independant of the main network.  They can all share the analog inputs across the network.  it works out pretty nice.
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OP | Post 3 made on Saturday April 28, 2012 at 03:08
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OK, so I already have a 16 port switch in the setup - are you saying I need a second switch off this one dedicated to the one amp? Otherwise use their filtering switch?
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Post 4 made on Saturday April 28, 2012 at 13:33
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yes, you have to keep the DMS amp off of the main network using its own switch, or use the MFS8 switch to keep the DMS's high traffic off of the main network.

you also need to program the DMS in the Total Control software.   Add an MRX10 to the project to get started.  Then add the DMS amp(s).  Add devices to the project that will be the inputs for the amp.  Then perform the DMS setup step to assign these devices to the DMS's inputs.  Set the IP address for the DMS in the network setup section.  Then download the program to the DMS.  

You don't need an MRX10 to do this, you just need to add one to the project.  I could send you a file that I made to use 3 DMS100's on a recent project if you get stuck.
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Post 5 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 15:50
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Duct Tape I am interested in knowing how you are accessing the stream via I/R. Are you sending the stream command and a number? How do you know which number to use to reference another DMS unit? Is it simple as (I/R Stream and then #1,2,3) etc?

Thanks...

Neil
Post 6 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 17:46
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If you go into the macro editing in the accelerator programming, it shows you which input is assigned to each stream.
The macro for stream 1 is:
Stream
1
Enter

You need to use an rf basestation and route ir to the proper dms amp to control a specific amp.
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Post 7 made on Thursday January 23, 2014 at 18:54
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Yeah. The dms only has supports 4 streams and total control only supports 32 if I recall. So calling the stream command followed by the number, which is the associated input on the back, should turn that stream on for that zone.
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Post 8 made on Friday January 24, 2014 at 23:49
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Is the Mac filtering switch necessary if you aren't streaming the music over the network? If using a DMS 1200 for four zones all with home run speaker wire there should be any ip music streaming going on on the local network.

When adding switches in daisy chain fashion just remember you are adding bottle necks to you network. So avoid when possible.
Post 9 made on Saturday January 25, 2014 at 00:59
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There is still streaming going on. The DMS amp needs a network connection to function. You don't need the mfs8. You can just plug the DMS amp into a stand alone switch. Just don't connect the switch to your main network. If you use the mfs switch, then you can connect to the DMS amp from your wireless connection to tweak the settings. If you use a basic stand alone switch, you would have to plug your laptop into that switch and adding your laptop a static ip that resides in the same subnet of the DMS amp.
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Post 10 made on Saturday January 25, 2014 at 01:03
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Interesting. I have not tried these products out yet, but your are saying the DMS-1200 just sends audio over IP even if no other receivers for this function are on the network? Seems like a very bad idea from a networking perspective. Reminds me of old Ethernet hubs vs switches. Just blast the data everywhere!
Post 11 made on Saturday January 25, 2014 at 01:45
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There is a reason for it...but I'm posting from my phone and don't feel like explaining it.
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Post 12 made on Saturday January 25, 2014 at 09:42
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Ok, I'm on an ipad in the airport so i will explain how it works.

all audio on the dms amps is streamed.  This is done so all zones stay in sync with each other.  Even the local inputs get streamed out onto the network. That is why if you dont plug the dms amp into a network, you will never get any audio out of it.

If you are controlling the dms amp via ir only, then it doesnt need to be connected to your main network.  You can use a simple network switch with only the dms amp connected to it.  You would plug your laptop into this switch to configure the dms amp.

if you want to make configuration much simpler, then use the mfs8 switch from urc.  This allows you to access the amp from the main network, while keeping all of the dms traffic off of the main network.  If you tried plugging the dms amp into the main network without the mfs8 switch, you would crash the network.

that is it in a nutshell.  I recommend that you attend one of urc's many dealer trainings if you plan on getting into total control.  There is much to learn.
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Post 13 made on Saturday January 25, 2014 at 14:55
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Appreciate the detail. I will definitely be looking to get a dealer training on TC. Interesting that it's an always on stream. I just assumed it was a on demand function. (I should know better than to ass-u-me anything by now!)
Post 14 made on Monday August 25, 2014 at 10:09
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Duct Tape, do you still have that file for your DMS100 setup?
Im trying to do the same thing but I am somehow not able to download to the DMS100.
I am only using one amp so far but will be adding a couple more once I get things working properly.
Post 15 made on Monday August 25, 2014 at 11:34
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did you search for the dms100 in the network setup and assign it to your project?  this will put the mac address and IP address of the unit into the fields in step 6/URC Device.  you also need to set up your network details under the LAN & Wifi tab under the same step.

if you did that, you should be able to download to it.  my file will end up having different mac addresses, so that won't help you.

Here is a link to the file though, so you can see how it is set up.
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