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MSC-400 RS232 PRO-141FD
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Post 1 made on Tuesday December 13, 2011 at 20:16
dhofferber
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I'm stuck. Couldn't get the RS232 control for the Pioneer PRO-141FD to work so I connected the output to my PC and used HyperTerminal to monitor. Triggering from a MX-980 the output looks perfect (\x02**PON\x03) but no luck. And yes I'm using a null modem cable. So I messed around using test output from the various editor windows. Testing from the Power On macro window again output (\x02**PON\x03) but no luck. Testing from the Funcs menu Connected Device window same results. Then I tried the Connected Data window reached from the macro list. It worked! So I checked the output with HyperTerminal to see what was sent and it showed "Alt 2 char"**PON"Alt 3 char". "Alt 2" being the dark happy face and "Alt 3" being a dark heart. So, what is the MSC really sending in this test mode? Perhaps a hex string? HyperTerminal can't handle hex so may be decoding hex this way. If so, how can I send hex rather than ASCII form the MSC? The Kuro manual protocol says it's looking for ASCII just as I've sent. This is probably a duh moment for those who have done a number of Kuro's but it's got me. Any help would be appreciated.
Post 2 made on Tuesday December 13, 2011 at 20:57
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I was just working with a Pioneer TV today (& Crestron) and it DIDN'T need a null modem; just a straight serial cable.

"Alt 2 char" and "\x02" are both representation of the same ASCII character.

Can you get control working from your PC to the Pioneer using a HyperTerminal connection? Sending "Alt-2" "*" "*" "PON" "Alt-3" should work from there. If not, you may need to check the Kuro settings menu (service menu / installer menu, too) to see if there are some options that need set.
OP | Post 3 made on Wednesday December 14, 2011 at 19:02
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It does need the null modem to work. It may be a quirk in HyperTerminal but I don't think so. When I send test commands from my PC through MSC-400 USB HyperTerminal dispalys them with the Alt symbols for STX and ETX. However, if I use the MX-980 to trigger them the HyperTerminal displays them as \x02 and \x03. Since HyperTerminal is displaying them differently they must be different codes in some way but I can't figure out why.
OP | Post 4 made on Thursday December 15, 2011 at 19:03
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Found what is happening but still can't fix it. The Pioneer needs Hex input. I can get the MSC-400 to send Hex when triggered by PC through USB connection. However, when I drag the triggers to the MX-980 and use it, the MSC-400 sends ASCII.  I deleted and rebuilt the device making sure I used Hex when building the Func table. Something is setting the output to ASCII when I use the MX-980 triggers but what?   Help please.
Post 5 made on Friday December 16, 2011 at 00:11
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 in the MSC400 programming:

expand your connected devices within the model designer
find your RS232 device and click on it
look in the properties window
change Data Type from ascii to hex
download the file to the msc400
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OP | Post 6 made on Saturday December 17, 2011 at 16:23
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I'm using the MSC Editor not the CCS. Perhaps they are different. The only things I can change in the device properties is title and Port settings. I can open the Funcs under the device and see all of the commands. They are all set to Hex. Again, it all works fine if I initiate the commands via my PC and USB to the MSC. However, it does not work when I use the MX-980 to initiate the command. Since the MX-980 is just sending a trigger, I don't understand why the same command isn't getting sent from the MSC as when I trigger from the PC.  With the PC it sends Hex and with the MX-980 it sends ASCII. 
OP | Post 7 made on Saturday December 17, 2011 at 17:56
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A lot of trial and error. Got it to work by hand coding the Hex strings in the commands. Also, to be clear, when I say you need a null modem for the pioneer I mean if you are using the URC serial cable. It is a crossover cable so by adding a null modem you end up with a straight through connection which as someone posted earlier is what the Pioneer plasma's require.


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