You guys are talking hours for designing buttons, for me it was days, My PCF's that have been posted have been a work in prgress since PENG was released and I mean just about every day for several hours a day. But hey I enjoy it or otherwise I wouldn't be doing it. I have spent over 4 hours on getting just one button the way I want it to look and then end up scrapping the whole idea. For every button that I use I probably have 10 others that just didn't quite make it.