Do you know what their plans are to help the builder make money? alot of our builders have started doing cost +15% on all built-ins which means we have to do 2 proposals one they can markup and one they have to leave alone. I hated this @ first but they now realize the more we install the more they make. But i worry about the dealer making money, the builder making money and avad making,,,,, oh yeah almost forgot about the $2500 and the certifications. Anyway our relationships with builders are intresting we have a couple who don't make a thing on our products except knowing it's done right and they don't have to worry about angry customers. But the others are driven by the almighty dollar and what we can do for them