Ernie,

I'm totally lost at this point. At first you were complaining that there were no discretes a RANT I can TOTALLY agree with. Now you've got the discretes. Well, for *practical* purposes the ONLY reason for a product to have discretes is so you can program them into a good control system (Crestron/AMX) OR a good learning remote control (Pronto/Home Theater Master etc.). Otherwise they are worthless because the remotes that come with most equipment are worthless. So what's the issue here?

Sounds like the only one you have to be mad at now is yourself for not inlcuding a decent remote with the system.