Believe what you wil about PHAST... Fact of the matter is is that it was WAY ahead of its time, and released WAY too early. The products that are left in the AMX lineup (Except for the DMS keypad) are all great stable products now. I've heard some real good things about control4 so far, and will definatly look at it, but I just dont feel IP control is ready for Prime Time right now.