Thanks for all the feedback, but for me and my stubborn dishplayer the learned off (4L) works nicely by itself, but still will not cooperate in my system off macro. The words from the girl from OFL are either a curse, or simply inexplicably true for Dishplayer. According to you fellows the evidence leans toward the former. I'll have to study (also without smoke) the inclusion of a 994 sequence, o obeewan Dave of remote macros. Hope is out there.