Thanks so much John this will help alot. I actually really liked my Kameleon 8 but as my system got more complicated the harder it was to remember where I put some of the codes and not to mention how confused the family got everytime I would change something. So I elected to "upgrade" to the Pronto 3000 so that I could make it easier for everyone else. But programming it is really a job. I sure some more questions will arise.