thanks for the replies greg, i went through that thread before deciding to get my visor, damn its long and i can't bear to read through it again. but that's what i figured, but don't want to drop another 200$ CAN on a program that i'll only need once.well i tested the trial version of omniremote last night and my visor controlled everything in my set up from my viewing possition except for my reciever, damn! now i guesss i've got to get the springboard, are there any sites that sell them apart from pacific tech? peace hwshi