Thanks for your suggestion Mr..all the components are new..30in LCD..oppo HD upconverting dvd..jvc dt-100 vcr..the d-vhs has hdmi out..the dvd has dvi.TV has one dvi input..my point being i dont belive ill be selling anything anytime soon..i just wish i could find a good OFA antenna..one that gets both VHF and UHF..but isnt huge and ugly..ok...guess im stuck with ugly but cant find a small ugly one for on the wall outside the house!