Dave in response to your comment in actual fact I do recieve buffalo when weather conditions are just right. wivb cbs 4.1 tends to be the most frequently received followed by wkbw abc 7.1 and wngs 7.2 the greatest challenge tends to be wnlo and wgrz and fox and 29.1 and me tv 49.1 have been fruitless. what I do tend to pick up is pbs wned buffalo and rochester wxxi again sporadically. when you picked up the cincinatti game on your mini-state was it perched insided or outside and how high up? did you see my post for terrestrial digital and their new antenna line? I also noticed that antennacraft is coming out with a new antenna model in the spring. have you known anybody who purchased that lava antenna looks kinda futuristic I was wondering if the larger elements on their own can improve reception.