On November 4, 2017 at 22:11, Stryker said...
No one that I know of. Maybee I came across as harsh? I just dont understand how you say Caseta does everything a step up lighting system does, but you add "with a control system" meaning that adding money to low cost solution makes it do more. Like this is a discovery of some magnitude? isnt that what control systems have been doing for 30 years?
Yeh Bud. I get that the extension is for YOUR house. But your second post said clients, Which is why I asked the questions I did, do you do this for clients? Its totally fine by me. Except that you complained about the limitations of Caseta yet you install it for clients? thats where I was confused.
And as you said because you have a control system on top of the Caseta you saved money compared to a RA2 system. But if you add the Caseta and Control4 together?
You said RA2 select was the biggest joke sence HDMI which I still dont understand. It is a chuckle at best.
Dont be sorry, You said your were killing it with LC and it wasnt clear as it sounded like you were killing it with Caseta. Your above paragraph explains it better, your not actually doing Caseta for clients your using it as an education tool to then sell C4 lighting. Now I understand.
Yes I can be dense and thats why I asked Questions. Its how we learn right?
The fact that your have to rip out caseta to install RA2 is "completly stupid" why? Caseta was never designed or sold or represented to be an upgradeable path. I guess your just wishing that it was?
No the costs of Caseta dont bother me at all. (I think its great as a whole market of people that have never had LC before, now can) I do agree that Lutron cutting its own sales with Caseta but as I undertand it. the Purpose of caseta was for DIY and to get larger brand awareness for Lutron. They were surprised by the number of integrators and electricians that started installing Caseta (or at least thats what my distributor says)
Right. So dont sell them caseta and you dont have to rip it out. so no issue there as You dont sell caseta except for one room solutions and small systems(Im not sure what small is maybee 6-8 loads?)
This is also why I asked about market. If your average client home is in the 2-4M range I just dont see how Caseta or many of the lower cost alternatives can handle this. They dont seem designed for it from my perspective.
It really sounds like you have issues with the way Lutron is running thier product lines. You should talk to them about your ideas.
I understand that one of the other plusses for RA2 Select is the ability to program the whole thing from an ipad versus having to use the software. Some see this as a plus and a large cost savings considering that an average RA2 job (30-50 devices) has what $1500-$2000 in programming costs? Does Caseta do Sivoia Shades or Just Serena?
What kind of Beer? Its the most important question of the thread
Im not very familiar with the Absent minded folks but it seems like between Caseta, RA2 Select, RA2, and QS (and thier standard devices) Lutron pretty much has all the lighting markets covered. I do wonder if C4 will come out with a non composer programmed LC solution. Crestron even went to pyng and its actually pretty quick to get a lighting system going (cost of hardware not withstanding). Cant speak to Vantage. But there is Insteon. Phillips. HAI and it seems like a dozen other low cost LC solutions, hell they even have IOT devices that you put on top of a traditional switch that then mechanically flip the switch Who would have predicted that?
This industry always changes. and quickly you are correct. Its part of what makes it fun. If I could predict where we will be in 10 years............
Ah... screw it. I’m way deep into a bottle of American Eagle and really don’t care about the rest.