All it would take is for a manufacturer to release a pre/pro at a price that represents what it really is... an AVR minus the amplifier. But they want to take a $2500 AVR, yank out the amp and charge you $3500 for it, and then another $3500 for the matching amp. Ridiculous if you ask me.

Integra had the dhc-40.2 at what.... $1200 MSRP? Then they disco'd it.... Probably because it was taking sales from the higher priced 80.x.

If Yamaha had separates, a pre/pro based on the rx-a860, with a 9 ch. amp, priced at ~$2000 for the set, we could sell them all day long.

The other side is that 99% of our clients do not really know or care what is in the rack or cabinet, so long as it works.