Wow guys those are all awesome solutions thanks a ton!! (some are a bit over my head though, I'm just a dumb electrician by trade) I did do the "learn" process which solved the problem. And yes DTC sorry about my terminology ... They are the surround speakers ... basically my setup is 5.1 in living room, I have 2 more ceiling speakers in my kitchen that are connected to a Russound audio matrix that I use as my surround back speakers when I'm playing media that supports 7.1 ... (I have a spare zone so why not get 7.1 when I can)

cheers and thanks again!