Just another update, tonite I just happen to be receiving WBBZ which is VHF 7.1 and 7.2, the lowest vhf frequency. Once again, I have a CM4228 on my second floor balcony with a preamp. I am in North York with my antenna pointing south towards Buffalo and CN Tower. Of course this reception doesnt last long, a couple of hours and then they are gone. However, it proves that you can receive VHF with an 8 bay uhf antenna.