3FG.... I want to thank you for all the help... I think I am done with the sony.. esp after learning the signal and downloading it into the sonance without success... I am convinced now it is the ir reciever on the sony and not what I am pushing out of the sonance.... If there is a such thing as a high output emitter I may try that, otherwise I am going to go buy an HD am/fm auvio tuner 60 bucks........... from radioshack.. I think it will be up and running in an hr or so........ we'll see..

kokomal